The Friday Quiz: Edessa Great Country, or What?
I know that at the end of a long week you're all dying for a classic Wombat Quiz preamble. But I'm actually in danger of falling asleep as I type, so I'm going to get right to the point with this week's persimmons and no starch please, I've left my keys in Loretta Lynn's hair, it's getting late and when did we buy that enormous gunnysack? And why am I wet?
See what I mean?
Anyway, here's today's cap-pistol.
"Founded" in 1098, the County of Edessa had a history of not quite a century and a half. The first Count was Baldwin of Boulougne, a nobleman originally from northern France. When his brother died, he ceded Edessa to a cousin and took over the neighboring territory his brother ruled, styling himself as the king, although his brother had not used that title. He died after nearly two decades of successful conquering, as the result of eating some bad fish. Edessa's rule passed to the family of Joscelin of Courtenay, although Joscelin's son eventually lost control of the County, and it ceased to exist as such. Within the area controlled what two modern states did the County chiefly lie? Bonus point: what was the name of the kingdom that Baldwin I ruled after ceding power in Edessa?
First correct answer posted to comments wins a gunnysack, of uncertain provenance. No Googling or ceding power to the faithless descendents of Joscelin of Courtenay. One guess per comment but comment as often as you like.
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Belgium and the Netherlands.
Posted by: boxjam
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May 18, 2007 07:32 AM
Bulgaria and Hungary
Bonus: Moravia
Posted by: Jonathan
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May 18, 2007 10:59 AM
Nothing yet.
Posted by: BT
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May 18, 2007 11:09 AM
Switzerland and Luxembourg.
Bonus: Baldwinistan.
Posted by: boxjam
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May 18, 2007 12:18 PM
J. is slightly warmer than B.
Posted by: BT
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May 18, 2007 12:32 PM
Poland and Lithuania
Posted by: Jonathan
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May 18, 2007 01:03 PM
Nope. And that's not particularly warm.
Posted by: BT
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May 18, 2007 01:36 PM
Of course he's warmer. I always just pick up scavenger wins when the wombat gives the umpteenth clue.
Romania and Turkey.
Bonus: Timurlania.
Posted by: boxjam
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May 18, 2007 02:39 PM
Bulgaria and Turkey
Posted by: james
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May 18, 2007 04:13 PM
or Bulgaria and Romania
Posted by: james
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May 18, 2007 04:14 PM
Bonus: Moldova
Posted by: james
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May 18, 2007 04:19 PM
Boxjam has 1/2 of the correct answer...or even more than 1/2, since Edessa seems mostly to have been in what is now Turkey. But at least part of it was in territory claimed by another nation.
As for the bonus, the kingdom in question was named for a very famous city, though it covered a much larger territory. It isn't in Europe.
Posted by: BT
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May 18, 2007 04:29 PM
then Romania and Moldova
Posted by: james
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May 18, 2007 04:51 PM
I mean Turkey and Moldova
Posted by: james
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May 18, 2007 04:55 PM
Turkey and Cyprus
Online poll: would you rather be
A) a Turkish Cypriot or
B) a Turkish Apricot?
Bonus:
Constantinople
Posted by: Jonathan
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May 18, 2007 05:46 PM
No one's gotten the second nation right -- or the bonus.
If it's helpful to know, Baldwin had an ostensibly spiritual reason for his acquisition of great tracts of land.
Posted by: lewombat
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May 18, 2007 07:28 PM
Oh and thanks, Jonathan. If the wombat file suddenly goes down you can assume that the Cypriot Anti-Defamation-of-the-Stone-Fruit-Pun-Variety League has mobilized their cyberspace wing to mount a DoS attack.
Posted by: lewombat
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May 18, 2007 07:33 PM
uh, hi, I was googling "Alec Baldwin is a Turkey" and wound up here....what's going on?
Posted by: art
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May 18, 2007 08:44 PM
We don't see the Edessa Steps in Battleship Potemkin, do we?
Afghanistan, man? My geography lobe isn't working right this morning.
Posted by: art
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May 18, 2007 08:48 PM
Georgia? And for bonus, Kiev?
Posted by: Scraps
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May 18, 2007 11:07 PM
Armenia?
Bonus, Byzantium?
Posted by: bootsy3000
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May 19, 2007 05:04 PM
A partial victory to boxjam, with honorable mention to Bootsy.
Although most of it was in modern-day Turkey, the county's territory also bled into what is now Syria, and might even have crossed into what is still, in 2007, a nominal nation called "Iraq."
After fighting both Orthodox Christians (in what was once indeed the Byzantine empire, Bootsy), and Muslims on his way to the Holy Land, Baldwin, in company with other Crusaders like the more historically famed Tancred, wound up as one of the rulers of the relatively short-lived "Crusader States" bordering the Eastern Mediterranean. Others included the Principality of Antioch and the County of Tripoli (not the Tripoli in North Africa, but the one in Lebanon). There was also the coastal Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia or "Lesser Armenia" which had been established by Amernian refugees from Seljuk Turk-occupied Armenia -- it was around before the Crusaders arrived, but allied itself with them and came eventually under French control.
The most prominent of the Crusader States was the Kingdom of Jerusalem, and after a stint as Count in the relative hinterlands of Edessa, Baldwin became the K. of J. when his brother Godfrey died. (Westernized/Christian rule of Jerusalem itself, by the way was ended in the late 12th Century by the famed Saladin).
Posted by: BT
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May 21, 2007 10:59 AM