The March edition of the Friday Quiz follows, with my apologies for a lack of action around here (although I presume you've all been busy following Harry Shearer's guest-stint on Josh Marshall's political blog Talking Points Memo.) I've been busy actually trying to write something other than the usual dreck that passes for content around here, and spending far too much time trying to get a grip on the world of horseless carriages before I run out and join the auto-consumer frenzy.
Anyway we should be returning to a regular posting schedule next week. Now, your two-part headslapper:
The official language of two countries which, taken together, have a population of seventy million people, is also spoken by some of the residents of a number of other countries. For the great majority of these people, though, it is a second language picked up in later life, and only learned as a mother tongue by a small proportion of its speakers, and in no nation is it spoken by all. Interestingly, the name of this language itself is, according to the linguist Nicholas Oster, derived from a word in yet another, far more widely-spoken language, which referred to the geography of the area in which the native speakers of the smaller language live.
What is this language, and what is the more widespread language from which its name derives?
First correct answer posted to comments wins a non-wax-cylinder copy of The King of the Vermont Cowboys: Don Fields and His Pony Boys, featuring "The Sears Roebuck Rag." Hands off the Google Toolbar please, and stay away from atlases and globes for the duration. One guess per comment, please, but comment as often as you like.
Oh, and if you have any advice about purchasing a used car for a couple of suckers who are doing so for the first time, please feel free to contribute that as well.
Posted by BT at March 18, 2005 10:50 AMThis can't possibly be right, but: Farsi?
I haven't a clue what the more widespread language would be. Arabic?
Posted by: KF on March 18, 2005 11:55 AMOr, come to think of it, vice versa.
Posted by: KF on March 18, 2005 11:56 AMArabic must by much more widespread -- in the present day, at least -- than Farsi. Farsi is, however, not the "smaller" language we're looking for.
Posted by: BT on March 18, 2005 12:00 PMGuh, Dutch and German?
Posted by: Jonathan on March 18, 2005 12:35 PMnope
Posted by: BT on March 18, 2005 12:41 PMThe "later in life" thing leads me to Hebrew, but I don't see it as a likely fit for some of the other clues.
Posted by: Scott Williams on March 18, 2005 01:00 PMNo --it's not a question of scholarly or theological use, just that this language is a second language for most of its speakers, and has been referred to as the "lingua franca" of the region in which it is most widely spoken (including the countries in which it is the official language, and those in which it is not).
Posted by: BT on March 18, 2005 01:23 PMHindi, from the Indo - European?
Posted by: The Lady B. Yogurt on March 18, 2005 01:27 PMOh! 70 Mil? I'll go for English.
Posted by: The Lady B. Yogurt on March 18, 2005 01:30 PMTagalog and Spanish?
Posted by: hackly_fracture on March 18, 2005 01:45 PMCongolese and Swahili?
2 countries, 70 mil might be Portuguese, named by dem Spaniards. Cause zey lived by the ports.
Posted by: Scott on March 18, 2005 01:52 PMToo many Brazilians for that, I bet
Here's a good one -- Afrikaans, named by the Dutch
Posted by: Scott on March 18, 2005 01:55 PMBut why the people were living in cans escapes me. . .
Posted by: Scott on March 18, 2005 01:57 PMI think Afrikaans isn't "the" official language of any country now. But that's otherwise a good guess which might almost fit the question.
But it's not what we're looking for.
I will say that one of the two languages has been mentioned already, but the other has not.
Posted by: BT on March 18, 2005 01:59 PMwhoops, 'scuse me -- BOTH languages have been named in separate guesses. But not in relation to one another. So, connect the dots...
Posted by: BT on March 18, 2005 02:01 PMCongolese and Portuguese
Okay, I'm game: Hebrew, from the Farsi.
Posted by: KF on March 18, 2005 02:20 PMOr Swahili, from the German.
Posted by: KF on March 18, 2005 02:21 PMOr Hebrew, from the German. Because wouldn't that be ironic.
Posted by: KF on March 18, 2005 02:22 PMArabic, from English
Posted by: Scott on March 18, 2005 02:31 PMThe 70 million part is what bothers me (for example, imagine that many people speaking Dutch). Hindi's got to have at least 400 million speakers in India, assuming 750 million population (which I may be imagining), unless their official language is English and the 70 million refers to two smaller coutries. My favorite lingua franca, Yiddish, is probably not the official language of any place other than Hell's Kitchen in the '70s.
Um, Malay and Thai?
Farsi and Dari?
Posted by: The Lady B. Yogurt on March 18, 2005 02:58 PMor more precisely, Farsi and Persian?
Posted by: The Lady B. Yogurt on March 18, 2005 02:59 PMNope. Neither language is European, and they are from two different "language families."
Posted by: BT on March 18, 2005 03:20 PMUmm. Tagalog from the Dutch.
Posted by: KF on March 18, 2005 03:25 PMRats. No Europeans. Okay, Tagalog from the Arabic.
Posted by: KF on March 18, 2005 03:27 PMTagalog from the Arabic is an interesting guess, but it's not on, and it prompts the clue that the interaction between speakers of both happened long before any Arabic speakers made it to the Philippines, I'd guess.
Posted by: BT on March 18, 2005 03:31 PMTibetan and Sanskrit?
Posted by: The Lady B. Yogurt on March 18, 2005 04:02 PMMongolian and Tibetan?
Posted by: The Lady B. Yogurt on March 18, 2005 04:03 PMI will say that the "parent" language (that is, the one from whom the name of the other is taken) has been rather repeatedly named as a possibility, and the "named" language mentioned less frequently.
In the parent language, the word for "coasts" was adapted to designate a group that lived in an appropriate geographical circumstance. It is still the case that the "mother tongue" speakers of this language come from a coastal region almost exclusively.
Posted by: BT on March 18, 2005 04:25 PMSwahili and Arabic?
First time buying a used car, or first time buying any car? Consumer Reports reliability ratings are helpful, though they can probably be summed up as "buy a Toyota or Honda sedan." In my experience it is worth it to buy the most reliable used car in your price range, even if that means giving up certain features.
Posted by: Sara on March 18, 2005 06:22 PMFarsi from Hindi
Buy a Toyota. If you can't do that, buy a Honda. If you can't do that, ask yourself exactly why you're doing this.
Posted by: Jonathan on March 18, 2005 08:04 PMSara's got it! "Swahili" is derived from an Arabic word for "coasts," and it's only in the coastal region and islands near Zanzibar where it is a native tongue, although it is the official language of both Tanzania and Kenya and spoken in a number of west African nations.
And sensible thinking, as well, from our winner on the use of consumer reports, and exactly how they can be summed up (although CR also really thinks we should buy a Chevrolet Prizm. But we reject this thinking, on the grounds that if Chevrolet cannot spell "prism" correctly, we don't trust them with the internal combustion engine).
Posted by: BT on March 19, 2005 12:02 AMI have driven a Prizm numerous times yet I had not realized that it wasn't spelled "Prism." It's too bad about the name, my sister's Prizm is 14 years old and still going.
Posted by: Sara on March 19, 2005 09:41 AMWe have a 15-years and 150k or so miles Prizm that was a hand-me-down from my physicist father -- if he can stomach the spelling, surely you can.
Posted by: Scott on March 21, 2005 10:48 AMA Prizm is actually a rebranded Toyota Corolla, so you might be safe there.
Posted by: rcs on March 21, 2005 02:52 PMI owned a Prizm for a few years when my upstairs neighbors in Brooklyn moved to Ireland and sold it to me cheap.
It was a good little car, although it hit its midlife crisis, and I had to replace various and sundry parts at about 7 years or so of service. So when I moved to England I gave it to my brother in Jersey with the warning that it might run great now (having everything fixed) or it might fall apart on him the following week.
Turned out it was the former--it's still going, and is now 15 years old.
Posted by: Gavin in Shanghai on March 21, 2005 07:51 PM